Last night I read a fantastic blog - The multidimensional paradigms of self defense by Erik Kodo. This morning I was listening to “
and Emmer” on the radio. Emmer was running his mouth about a shooting that happened recently in Davis . Minneapolis
Here is a podcast of the show if you want to listen for yourself
Emmer’s ignorance compelled me to share the good information from Kodo’s blog.
Before we get much further let me state a few things:
- I’m a huge supporter of concealed carry. I believe citizens should be armed
- I’m not second guessing the witness / shooter
- I will give him the benefit of the doubt
- This blog isn’t so much about the specifics of the case, but about the discussion on the radio show.
- Good information on self defense has to get out to the public.
- I wasn’t there, and the media isn’t a good source for facts
Here is a link to the news story on the shooting
Officers detained the man for questioning following the fatal shooting of the 23-year-old robber Thursday night. Authorities say the armed robber confronted the woman in the parking lot of a Cubs Food store, took her purse and hit her in the head with his gun. A man who witnessed the robbery chased the suspect and shot him behind a nearby restaurant during a confrontation. When police arrived, the witness told officers he had a permit to carry a gun, shot the armed robbery suspect and told officers where they could find his handgun. He was detained for questioning.
Investigators say they found the robber's gun near where the shooting took place.
(Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
That is all the information that was publicly available at the time of the radio show.
So, to break it down witness saw a woman being assaulted and robbed. Robber ran away. Witness chased him. Confrontation ensued. Witness shoots the robber
Here are some of the things that Emmer was saying that pissed me off:
Emmer – Oh, so we should let bad things happen? Should he call time out while he calls 911
Emmer – Of course he should have chased him. We don’t know what he knew at the time. He doesn’t know if he has a gun or not. Guess what bad guy I’m armed too, good night.
To me, it’s not only what Emmer was saying, but the way he was saying it. Through his tone he came off as an arrogant ass clown, acting as an expert with out any solid information on use of force law.
Self defense is defined as protecting yourself from death or great bodily harm (permanent injury / maiming). In order for self defense to be justified you must have IMOP
I – Intent
M – Means
P – Preclusion
When the witness saw the initial assault robbery IMOP was clearly there. The Robber showed intent by actually committing the assault, he had the means - 23 year old male with a gun vs. an elderly woman, he had the opportunity - at night in a parking lot. One could even make the argument against preclusion because if the witness left the victim may have been further injured or killed. Had the witness / shooter acted then force would have been justified. However, when the robber fled, the victim was no longer in danger. The Robber no longer had opportunity, and he showed lack of intent by fleeing. How are you protecting yourself or others by chasing him? Police have a duty to peruse, to prevent possible harm to the public. When a civilian chases someone after the danger has passed they have violated preclusion. With out IMOP force is unjustified
Emmer doesn’t know use of force law. His statements were very emotionally driven. Of course the good guy should chase down the bad guy and bring him to justice. If this causes a situation in which lethal force is used - oh well “good night”
Emmer’s view on self defense is very one dimensional. Which brings me back to Erik Kodo’s blog The multidimensional paradigms of self defense.
THE MULTI DIMENSIONAL PARADIGMS OF SELF-DEFENSE
The Multi Dimensional Paradigms of Self-Defense is a model that describes a person’s overall view of the universe self-defense. Everyone’s viewpoint is different, but viewpoints can still be categorized in groups. The MDP model helps explain the basic differences in viewpoints. It provides people a framework to expand and evolve their self-defense paradigm into one with a more comprehensive viewpoint.